Satsang with Oliver - questions and answers 51-55
Oliver, when I listen to teachers talking about truth and awakening, I can't help thinking that I've ever always been in that state. Nevertheless However, since 2003 I feel as if there is a filter between "me" and "reality". I told this to my parents far long before I began to hear about spirituality. Together with that filter an intense tiredness appeared, a tension and sometimes a depression, along with a strong flow of thinking. Last year I began to experience a deep peace in which all that struggle ceases. But I'm still not "satisfied" with it. I keep on falling into suffering cycles and I have the "knowledge", if I may say so, that even in deepest peace I'm not at the "maximum potential" of being.
What you are describing to me seem to be different states of your body-mind which confuse you because you interpret them and would like to understand them.
In this case I have a concept for you
When awakening happens (= knowledge that you are pure being and not the little "me") and together with this awakening this deep peace appears, then the little "me" (the thought of separation) sometimes immediately wants to conserve this agreeable state. It starts to identify itself with the state of deep peace. But if some change happens, for example emotions like sadness or anger appear, the little "me" is very disappointed because sadness and anger don't fit in most concepts of enlightenment.
Complete liberation means that the little "me" doesn't want to keep a desirable awakened state anymore and doesn't want to get rid of an undesirable state. The little "me" doesn't want to pilot the divine vehicle of life anymore but accepts the fact that no pilot is needed and that no pilot was ever needed! In this absolute freedom EVERYTHING can is allowed to happen. It happens IN what you are. Just let it happen and don't care about it. Nothing has to be done or changed in order to be pure Being.
In your case, who wakes up early in the morning, and where are you during deep sleep?
The definition of deep sleep is that no person is existing in deep sleep, no one who thinks about himself and maintains an identification with a person (a body). In other words: You cannot be anywhere in deep sleep, for then you don’t even exist. When you wake up the person awakes "with you", the "little me" that you think you are. But after the "little me" has disappeared one could say that there is simply an impersonal waking up. In other words "no one" wakes up in the morning. The border between deep sleep and the awake state has therefore dissolved.
Could you please interpret Papaji's metaphor with the "rope that has been seen as a snake all the time"?
To make sure that everyone knows what we're talking about I repeated the mentioned metaphor: " You are scared to cross the road, on the other side of which lies freedom, because you see a snake there coiled up in the middle, waiting for you. Every day you come back, see the snake and you are afraid to go on. One day somebody comes from the other side and says: "It's only a rope. There is no snake, just a rope." This authority tells the truth and you recognize it. What is happening here? What have you done with the snake? Where did it go? "I am tied" is just this snake. The snake never existed. You have to overcome the obstacles "fear" and "doubt". See the rope as what it is. Papaji is talking about trust. Satsang functions only if trust is there in the one who says that the snake (world of duality) is illusionary. That it is only a rope (Oneness). But in reality nothing happens at all. The assumed snake was rope before (Oneness) and still is a rope afterwards. The "little me", however, will always think that the rope is a snake. It can't help it. In the moment of insight, caused by the disappearance (death) of the "little me", the snake is seen as a rope. But not by the "little me", but by absolute seeing. Road (= separatedness), master, snake, rope and disciple merge into this seeing and become one. But no one can bring about trust. No teacher, master or guru. He can tell you once and again that you have to overcome fear and doubts. Trust simply surfaces, just like this website emerges for you (yes, exactly NOW, JUST for you!). It is a kind of deep resonance, and ancient remembrance that what is said here, must be true. And, oh well, I keep saying it again and again: there are no obstacles! The story of the rope is only a metaphor. Forget it. The road has never existed.
Oliver, in our opinion Gandhi's message "you yourself must be the change that you want to see in the world" applies exactly to you as a signpost and teacher! How would YOU express this message, as actually no "change" is necessary?
With his words Gandhi refers to the model model of the teacher which, in daily life governed by the laws of cause and effect of this dual (illusory) world, is best suited to bring about a change of habits, as it creates trust. Quite in line with the motto: "You reap what you sow". In this sense my function here is as that of a teacher who creates trust with his words. However, as my "message", in contrast to Gandhi's dual message is non-dual, paradoxical situations are inevitably generated as soon as words come into play. On the one hand I tell you with many words that you should trust, and on the other hand I say that, in order to reach freedom, no change is needed as liberation is already here NOW. In my eyes you are already liberated and one with me and therefore with everything, for with the liberation of the apparent individual is simultaneous with the liberation of the world, emerging into Oneness. But then why this message at all? My concept for your mind is: This "message" (that is in fact not needed), you, Gandhi and I are ONE time- and space-less occurrence that appears to arise within Oneness. Wihout cause. Without sense. It hasn't actually happened in reality, for there is only Oneness. Gandhi surfaces IN YOU, s to speak. You are Gandhi. Therefore you can sit back unperturbed and forget all the teachers and guides who want to convey any old truth to you regarding awakening and liberation.
Oliver, you say: All is ONE. But I can't be an object, can I?
When, according to my concept, I say that ALL IS ONE, this I is logically also ONE. It doesn't matter whether you picture your "I" as an object or as whatever else. Also your vision of an "I" is ONE.
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